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1. I think this discussion isn't the right discussion we should be having... - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Ladie Harlot wrote: Morphisat wrote: Shade Severii wrote: If Mittani gets banned (which he shoudn't and probably wont be) CCP will be opening a giant can of worms. And if they don't they do so as well. What about investors ? Sony ? I...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.26 21:06:00
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2. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Hartmann Pitts wrote: This is really what it gets down to. You've decided that 1% a month in this game is too high without presenting any of the other economic data from the game that would be necessary to contextualize whether...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.12 13:18:00
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3. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Quote: Quote: Nearly a year after Incursions came in, and the economy is being reported as stable by the economist, with mild inflation. In spring he may have been worried, he doesn't seem so more recently The thing is, I don't particularly...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 23:37:00
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4. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Hartmann Pitts wrote: But why do you think inflation is bad? What is the consequence of inflation for Eve, in your opinion? Because most income is not scalable to match leading to some EVE version of the shoe event horizon, an...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 21:59:00
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5. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Quote: Let's try something easier. A thought experiment. If we didn't have PLEX in the game. Would you consider inflation to be a bad think to happen in the Eve economy? Why or why not? PLEX are almost completely economy neutr...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 20:47:00
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6. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Quote: This is the point where you actually address the worries: that in a time when we already have too much ISK entering the economy (which every source available to us tells us is happening) Quote: If we have sources that tell us there...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 18:10:00
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7. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: [ Quote: I have been asking the same questions: What is the problem with the economy? Is that problem inflation? And is that inflation caused by Incursions. GǪall of which has been answered. No. They haven't. That's the poi...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 18:06:00
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8. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: One is that incursions is a very large ISK faucet. Another is that it's a very attractive ISK faucet due to how much it pays out per person. The former is an issue already; the latter is not just a problem on its own, but can als...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 17:51:00
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9. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
baltec1 wrote: Hartmann Pitts wrote: baltec1 wrote: Im sorry but Tippia is spot on and you are in the wrong here. Incursions ARE injecting too much isk into the system and prices ARE rising as a result. Everything is much more expensive n...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 09:24:00
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10. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Quote: More to the point though, you still haven't explained why on earth you thought that calculating per capita would change its relative size (in fact, this is another of your straw men that I will not let go of until you explain yourself). ...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 08:52:00
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11. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
baltec1 wrote: Im sorry but Tippia is spot on and you are in the wrong here. Incursions ARE injecting too much isk into the system and prices ARE rising as a result. Everything is much more expensive not just PLEX and it is all still rising, if...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 07:39:00
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12. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: To Hartman Pitts: Hartman, give it up. You are trying to debate lucidly with an lunatic. .... But Hartman, for your own piece mind, refrain from trying to post up logic against people who have a religious fervour agai...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 07:25:00
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13. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: The per-participant injection is simply worrisome due to how large it is and how this means that even a small amount of people can have a drastic effect on the game economy. The per-participant injection is also worrisome because ...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.11 06:37:00
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14. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Hartmann Pitts wrote: So, I don't know what you mean by "divide everything else into per capita". All the values I compared are per capita calculations. You're doing something wrong, that much is clear, since you say that GÇ£I...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.10 21:24:00
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15. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
(... Cont 3/3) Quote: The problem is that incursions inject far too much ISK compared to the amount of people engaging in it that it risks 1) drastically increasing the ISK injection as more people catch on (up to a limit depending on the farm...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.10 12:52:00
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16. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
(...Cont 2/3...) Quote: The per capita number is completely irrelevant GÇö it's the total injection that matter, because it is what's being balanced against the total outflow of ISK. You're making the classic mistake of thinking about faucets ...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.10 12:47:00
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17. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
(just to ruin the conclusion, the next three posts actually end up with a more than reasonable amount of agreement given the fact that this is an internet forum) Quote: That's because using a per-capita number doesn't change anything unless we...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.10 12:42:00
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18. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
(...cont) But let's take a step back again. My issue isn't with the absolute input of particular isk faucets. My issue is with the proclamation that Incursiosn are causing some kind of economic problem. What economic problem are they causing? A...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.10 09:13:00
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19. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Tippia wrote: Quote: But you haven't demonstrated that there's a problem with the economy, what that problem is, or that Incursions are the cause. GǪaside from showing that they are a massive ISK faucet that surpasses pretty much anything...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.10 09:12:00
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20. Please Provide Facts, not suppositions, that Eve Economy Broken - in EVE General Discussion [original thread]
Johnny Marzetti wrote: Hartmann Pitts wrote: Johnny Marzetti wrote: Hartmann Pitts wrote: Quote: Again: a single incursioner spawns maybe upwards of 90+ù the ISK of a mission runner, and missions runners alone have been a worry for...
- by Hartmann Pitts - at 2012.03.10 06:18:00
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